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Hummer Hands Down! Jeeps No Contest!

by Tyler
(Raleigh, NC, USA)

2010 Hummer H3 Moab edition

Here's the deal. What Jeep owners don't want to hear is that right out of the show room floor the Hummer is better in every way.

For instance the Hummer H3 Adventure has 4:01 rear locking gears, full time 4 wheel drive, 33" All Terrain tires, and let's not even get into the approach and departure angels.

Now respect to the Jeeps because they were the first, and a great 4X4 vehicle they are.

In fact in you look at the front of the Jeep and the front of the Hummer they are similar. You ask why? Well Hummers were originally built by AM General Corporation, which was formerly AMC-Jeep's General Products division, in its Mishawaka, Indiana, assembly plant.

They were created under a contract for the United States armed forces. So actually Jeep and Hummer are all from the same blood line.

Now the argument about the Hummer H3 being a Chevy....? FALSE!

The H3 is the smallest of the Hummer models and is based on the GMT355 platform shared with the Chevrolet Colorado and GMC Canyon compact pickup trucks which is why some people say it's just a Chevy.

The Hummer H3 gets a naturally aspirated 3.5-liter five from its Chevrolet Colorado/GMC Canyon platform mates, with whom it shares 10 to 15 percent of its components...10% to 15%, you can hardly say it's just a Chevy!

The Hummer H3 gets better gas mileage than the Jeep Wrangler, is better in the quarter mile than the wrangler even with all that weight!

Not to mention Rod Hall and Robby Gordon have been tearing up the SCORE Baja 1000, and The Best in the Desert, in both stock class and Pro-am with the Hummer H3 and H2. You don't hear the same about Jeep.

Comparing these two is not Apples to Apples. Not even close. Not saying that the Jeep Wrangler Rubicon isn't an excellent work horse off road, but the money you need to put into it right off the bat to even hang with the Hummer...well, let's just say you'd have to be a Jeep fan.

Larry's Comment: Like Hummers if you must Tyler...but in almost every side-by-side comparison of trail capability the Hummer comes up short when compared to the Wrangler.

I will concede the Baja racing props to Rod Hall and Robby Gordon piloting highly modified Hummers through the desert...but there's not much in common with the Chevy showroom Hummer I'm afraid.

What say you "Jeep Fans"?

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NOT A JEEP!
by: Anonymous

It's not a Jeep, get it out of here!

JEEP---nothing better.
by: cooley

Hummers are the biggest joke when compared to Jeep Wranglers... especially the H3.

I'm not going to go into stats and all that. All you have to do is look and see the numbers on the road (or off the road) for the comparison.
GO BEARS!

Thanks for the stats....
by: Tyler

Wait, you didn't contribute any stats. Also the Rod Hall H3 raced in the Best in the Desert is a stock, yes that's right STOCK Hummer H3.

I know it's a tough pill to swallow Jeep owners, but the facts are the facts. Like the slogan says, "Hummer, Like nothing else!"

"Stock"?
by: Larry

Tyler...I don't think anyone is begrudging the H2 or H3 abilities in desert racing like the Baja or even Dakar...but the term "stock" can be misleading.

These professional racers have a team of factory "racing" engineers who build these great racing machines.

Yes, they use factory parts and accessories, but the finished product is nothing like "stock" when finished and race ready.

GM (like many others) has racing engineers and sponsor their professionals during race seasons to promote and perfect "factory" goodies.

Yes, if I had thousands of dollars and a team of factory engineers to pour goodies into my Jeep...I think it would perform a lot better than off the showroom floor too.

Also, Jeeps were made to do "Jeep" things, and Hummers do "Hummer" things!

One more thing, love the tricked out "stock" Hummers for racing...but could you talk to those guys who turn them into "pimp-mobiles" with all the bling, 24" mirrored wheels and enough chrome to be seen from the moon on a clear night?

Something rarely seen with Wranglers and CJ's...BTW!

Hummer vs Jeep
by: Mike

You just don't get it do you!

It's a Jeep thing, if we have to explain it to you, you would not understand.

I was there in the Army when they introduced the Hummer, and the main reason for it according to the "Brass" the little Jeeps we had could not keep up with the Abrams tank on the highway (Autobahn) in West Germany.

In the dirt the old Jeeps could go through mud and climb hills all while doing circles around the then new Hummer.

The guys laughed at them when ever they got stuck and they sent a Jeep to retrieve the crew.

By the way Larry thanks for all you do with this site. It is a lot of fun to read, and I know you put a lot of effort into it.

Mike

Agreed Larry
by: Tyler

I absolutely agree with you Larry, that a lot of what I call, "hate", from the Jeep community is towards the cliche' Hummer owner. Too much bling is a disaster for any automotive recipe.

I think if the Jeep owners look hard enough they'll see there's a community of us out there that visit Moab, that visit the Hummer Proving grounds in Indiana, and who subscribe to a motto of "anti-bling".

We too do not enjoy the bad rap a lot of the Hummer crowd brings upon us, but with any high-line popular vehicle, you will see that kind of thing.

Yes, the Jeep community seems to be more void of it, but we all have our downfalls. You still can't take away the fact that the Hummer line up is a beast off road.

Hummer isn't pumping out any products like the Jeep Compass, or Jeep Liberty Renegade, which is anything but!

I'm not saying Jeep is a bad product, it's a good one, but the long and short of it is simply,...it's not a Hummer.

Is this guy serious??
by: Tyler

The H3 is a good around town, and dirt road vehicle, but is lacking in offroad and trail conditions.

I don't know where you're getting your 10-15% numbers as far as engine and drive-train shared parts. The 3.5L (displacement increased to 3.7L for 2009 model)is an ALL GM engine, designed and built by GM.

It is used in several vehicles including the Chevy Colorado, GMC Canyon, Chevy Trailblazer, and GMC Envoy in nearly identical trim.

The H3 also uses GM brakes, and suspension from the Colorado and Trailblazer models. The independent front suspension is a major weak point of the H3. It uses thin aluminum control arms that are prone to bending and breaking, and not designed for rugged offroad conditions. The rear differential however uses the KB7 produced by AAM and not GM directly.

The approach/departure angles are slightly better on the H3 than some Jeep models, but the overall length and width of the H3 combined with a rather lackluster turning radius limit it on tight trails.

Now as far as gas mileage and quarter mile time the Jeep once again out performs the H3 in fuel economy with an EPA rating of 15/19 (city/highway) to the H3 14/18 (2010 model year).

The 3.8L Jeep engine is rated at 202hp, 237ftlbs torque, with the H3 at 239hp, 241ftlbs torque.

Both use the A4 automatic as the standard transmission. Zero-to-60, and 1/4 mile times are unknown due to the fact these are very rarely tested on "off road SUV's".

If you have the chance to drive both vehicles you will notice the H3 is under-powered (a reputation well deserved across the Hummer line), and noticeably slower during acceleration.

Your statement that the H3 is not a Chevy is incorrect. It is in fact a Trailblazer with a suspension lift and a different body. If you want to argue semantics then yes you are partially right, it is not a "Chevy" but a GM product assembled using ALL GM parts, under the marque of Hummer...which until it's recent demise was a subsidiary of GM and a sister marque to Chevy.

When GM bought Hummer it immediatly changed the product line over to all GM parts and equipment.

The last true "Hummer" was the H1.

Bottom line, the H3 and its larger heavier brother the H2 are heavily optioned, re-bodied, luxury Trailblazers (Chevy Tahoe for H2) designed and marketed for "urban" driving not rugged offroad conditions.

Tyler H.
DeMontrond Hummer
Houston, TX

Hummers are the worst
by: ANDREW

That H3 engine is horrible. I had a rental Canyon Z71 with that motor. IT'S A TERRIBLE 5-CYLINDER, BAD ON GAS AND WEAK.

LONG LIVE JEEPS AND MY 2 COMANCHES.

A lil' of everything
by: lloyd

Being that I am a previous Jeep guy, I have had base Wranglers and Rubicons and now have a an H3. I sold my Rubi for a four door family vehicle, but still wanted something to go off road. Hands down the stock Hummer has the upper hand on any stock Jeep, with the only exception of the Rubicon. But with a lil' money put into the stock Jeep it can way out perform the H3 only because the Jeep uses the solid axle in the front which by any offroading standard is better.

H3 good vehicle , reliabilty no good.
by: Craig E

My Hummer H3's transmission has gone twice now. Waiting still for new transmission.

Hummer is just a Chevy?
by: Doug

I will say this:

If a Hummer is just a modified Chevy, then your Jeep is just a Fiat.

PLEASE LET'S SEE FACTS
by: MADforMUD

Forget all the statistics. Forget all the factory origin. Have you ever been on trails?
The Titanic (Hummer?) is good only because it is big, and army needs room to carry equipment. That is the end of the off road ability of the Hummers!

Have you ever seen an Hummer doing well in MOAB? In off road you need lightness and short space between front and rear axles. During off road camps here in Italy, guys with Hummers can't go all the way to the end of the trail because their cargo can't get through trees, they are too goofy in off road. Are you talking about real off road or some dirty road?

IT'S A JEEP THING, YOU COULDN'T UNDERSTAND!

P.S. Sorry for my English I'm writing from Italy.

Seriously Doug?
by: Tyler H.

Jeep is associated with Fiat through a corporate merger, and got its current CEO Sergio Marchionne as a result of the merger with Fiat S.P.A.

Jeep vehicles currently do not use any parts or technology from Fiat. However the engines, transmissions, and vehicle control systems were developed during the Daimler period of ownership therefore you could make the statement that they are Mercedes.

Calling them Fiats is totally inaccurate. Or if your talking about older Jeeps they were produced by the following, 1970-1987 AMC (Renault in 1986), 1964-1970 Kaiser-Jeep, 1953-1964 Kaiser-Jeep under the moniker Willys Motors, 1944-1953 Willys-Overland.

Hummers were originally produced for the US military by AM General, a subsidiary of AMC. In 1998 General Motors purchased the Hummer brand from AM General and produced the H1 which was based on the HUMVEE, and the H2, and H3 which were based on smaller civilian-market GM platforms the Tahoe and Colorado/Trail Blazer.

Hummers are street vehicles and not well suited for offroad applications, but if your looking to cruise the parking lot at the local mall with a lot of chrome, Hummer is the way to go.

Tyler H.
DeMontrond Hummer
Houston, TX

FIAT EFFECT
by: MADforMUD

Mr Marchionne is a true industrial king. He is smart and clever. He would let Jeep do what they are good to do and put a hand in where they fail. Wrangler and Grand Cherokee will get only better. The others, well there's nothing to save of other models, so if they change, well they can just get better.

Remember then that Fiat produce cars that have to cost less than Alfa, so they use low quality products.

Anyway they have probably the best engineers in the world, think just that Saab use their diesel engine, they had a prototype of an hydrogen engine since the 70's, but they couldn't produce it because the Agnelli's family got petrol factory.

Fiat engineers are responsible for Iveco, the best truck in the world named by international experts for a lot of years. In there they got briliant ideas, but the situation here in Italy just block them because of politics, economics and let's say it honestly, criminal interests!

Wrong! Check your facts before posting!
by: Anonymous

Tyler H. is wrong. Not taking sides just pointing out the obvious.

Help me out
by: Tyler H

Ok, you say I made a mistake. Please point it out and support your claim with some solid facts. I'm a certified automotive technician, and Jeep enthusiast, not a professional researcher. Mistakes can and will be made. So please help me out.

On a seperate note, a Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT8 straight off the show room floor turned a sub 9 min. lap at the Nurburg ring in Germany. This was a stock Grand Cherokee, ready for the trail or the Nordschleife. I would like to see a Hummer attempt to even come close to that.

Tyler H

A little help
by: Anonymous

So a Grand Cherokee SRT8 is trail ready off the showroom floor and a Hummer is not? LMAO!!!!! I believe Hummer H3 dominated the stock class at the BAJA races. How many JEEPS do you see winning. If you are a so called mechanic then why don't you know the pros and cons of an IFS vs. SA vehicle. Ah, because you are a HEEP fanboy! "Hummers are made for street use". Do your research and you will find only 10%-15% of the H3 is shared with the Trailblazer. They are made for offroad, off the showroom floor.

Like I said earlier I'm not taking sides, each has their pro's and con's, but people like you have a chip on your shoulder for some reason. Why not appreciate each vehicle because one is not superior to the other in any way off the showroom floor.

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